Monday, 28 June 2010

Clearing up a couple of details

There is some misinformation floating around the internet regarding Anne Greig leaving her marital home in 2000 and what was involved. This is unfortunate considering it is misleading for anyone who is trying to unravel the truth of the Hollie Greig case.

The Palestine Telegraph (3rd paragraph after the letter to Mr Green from John Logue) reports that:
In 2000 Anne was violently abused by her husband after she commenced checking the background to her brother Roberts mysterious death and the money paper trail that he had left behind(these aspects were covered in the last article). As a result of this outburst and the injuries sustained by Anne she decided to take Hollie and move into a hostel..

While an article from Spreading the Word (under the heading “Cement Gang”) states:
Hollie's father was violent to Ann. That night a spat flared up between Ann and Hollie's father and he beat her up. Ann had to get her daughter away from the house. They went into a hostel. Hollie got hysterical and demanded to be taken back to the house to get her dogs, the two Bichons, because, Hollie became terrified that her father would kill them.
Note: I have to say that the article "Cement Gang" is an eye-opener regarding how 'those in power' apparently become entangled in the sordid world of abuse.

But that aside and back to the points.

Both the report by the 'Palestine Telegraph' and the article by 'Spreading the Word' are factually incorrect – well they are if we are to believe the account Anne Greig offered to the consultant psychiatrist Dr M.A.E Smith (the psychiatrist with whom Anne sought help in testifying that she is of sound mind):

Dr Smith report/analysis (last paragraph)
Marriage
“Met her husband (an electronic engineer) when 21 “I fell in love with him.” Married in 1974 – against her mother’s advice, her mother felt he was marrying her for her money. She described him as a womaniser – he was always having affairs 5 years ago, considered leaving him. She described her marriage as “a farce – it became a nightmare." She left him April 2000 after discovering he was having an affair with her cousin. She described somewhat dramatically subsequent events. She said her husband threatened her and was violent towards her.”
Later in the same report (click here to read the photocopy):
“4. Husband – he frequently works away – he is an electronic engineer – In April 2000 there was a crisis when she found out that her son had been charged with lewd and libidinous behaviour.

At the same time she discovered her husband's affair with her cousin - "there was a big row - he physically assaulted me - I fled the house in bare feet - I went to a friend's - my husband informed the police that I was missing - he kept phoning the police - I thought it was a joke - I went home the next day - my friend had advised me to return and get Hollie - but he wouldn't let her out of his sight - he refused to let Hollie go with me - he went out and returned drunk - I called the police and they removed him from the house - I got myself organised and in July (July is crossed out and replaced with May in the side column of the report) I moved into a hostel - I found I was being watched by the staff - it's all on the video - it's in my medical notes - Holly and me - we were out everyday - I found a flat, 2 bedroom - I have redecorated and refurnished it - we're still there at the above address."
So where did the 'Palestine Telegraph' and 'Spreading the Word' get their details from? Did the author of Spreading the Word and the reporter for the Palestine Telegraph (Peter Eyre – Middle East Consultant) invent their versions, use artistic licence, or were they merely reporting what Anne had relayed to them?

Whatever the reason behind the misconstrued report/article respectively, it is evident from the dialogue given by Anne Greig to Dr M.A.E Smith that the violent argument between herself and her husband ensued after she discovered he was having an affair with her cousin, fled their marital home (leaving Hollie behind!) to a friends home and did not return to collect Hollie until the following day and only after advice offered by her friend.

Photocopies of Dr Smiths psychiatry assessment courtesy of StolenKids-Hollie. Incidentally, the Stolenkids-Hollie site has a collection of scanned/photocopied letters from various authorities involved in the case.

Saturday, 26 June 2010

Robert (Roy) Greig suicide or murder?

I am sure most people are aware of who Roy Greig is by now but if not then please Google his name.

I am not going to beat around the bush or fill this article with ifs and buts, there is enough of that floating around the internet.

I have taken a look at the evidence, listened to Roy’s sister Anne Greig during the interview hosted by Theo Chalmers (On the Edge - links at the end of this article) and drawn together the facts of the case.

1. The death certificate of Roy (as he’s known to family and friends) states he died of smoke inhalation.
2. His pathology report, as stated by Anne, shows he had 3 broken ribs; broken sternum; fractured skull (which turns out to be a contusion to the back of the head); multiple bruising; brown liquid in his stomach, which according to Anne was whisky.
3. At the end of the pathology report it states that he was two and a half times over the limit and that melted plastic had dropped onto his legs.
4. Anne tells us that because her brother was found in a burning car and that he never drank whiskey, they are signs that he was murdered. Reason: because he apparently walked in on his niece (Anne’s daughter) while Hollie’s father (Anne’s husband) was abusing Hollie.
5. Anne tell us that she had experts look at the pathology report and was apparently told that the indications are consistent of being beaten up, alcohol thrown down his neck and then tossed into the car which was then set alight to destroy any evidence.
6. Anne Greig and Robert Green go further by suggesting that the person who attempted to rescue Roy from the burning car is probably the murderer.
7. Anne explains that the police told her it was the catalytic converter on Roy’s car which started the fire.
8. Anne states that there was a hose found on the ground but was not attached to the car exhaust or through the car window.

(All titles are links)
Fractured ribs and sternum frequent complications of CPR:
Objective: Fractured ribs and sternum are frequent complications of thoracic compression during CPR in adults. This study was conducted to determine whether findings of plain chest radiography (CXR) correlate with post-mortem findings in patients who underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) after out-of-hospital cardiac arrest. Methods: CXR findings and autopsy results of CPR-related chest injuries comprising rib and sternum fractures were compared prospectively in 19 patients. Results: Fractures were diagnosed in nine of 19 patients by means of radiology and in 18 of 19 patients by autopsy (rib fractures in 6/19 versus 17/19, P=0.002; sternum fractures in 5/19 versus in 9/19, P=0.227). The total number of isolated bone fractures detected by CXR was 18 (12 rib and six sternum fractures) and by autopsy 92 (83 rib and nine sternum fractures). The majority of rib fractures was located in the anterior part of the thoracic cage. Sternum fractures predominantly occurred in the lower third. Eight of 19 patients received either thrombolytic or antithrombotic treatment during CPR but no major bleeding complication associated with CPR was detected by autopsy. Conclusions: The findings of this study indicate that fractures associated with CPR are underreported in conventional radiographic investigations. No major bleeding complications related to CPR-associated fractures was detected.
Learn CPR – Broken ribs common
Frequently ribs are broken with the pressure CPR places on the sternum. Some studies quote up to 30% of cardiac arrest victims have broken ribs as a result of CPR. This happens more frequently the older the victim since the cartilage is less compliant and the bones more easily crackable. But remember, it's better to have a cracked rib than be dead.
Catalytic Converter
An important part of your vehicle's emission system is the catalytic converter. It is tasked with reducing harmful emissions that pollute the atmosphere and it has been a part of nearly every passenger vehicle built since the mid 1970s. Unfortunately, the catalytic converter can also run very hot and, at the same time, spark ignition of anything that it comes into contact with. In Bob's case, it was his 2005 Volvo that was parked directly over a small leaf pile that started the fire that destroyed his XC90.
When parking your vehicle, take care to make sure that no debris is on the ground directly underneath your car. Even a small pile of dried out leaves can be just enough fodder for a fire. In the case of a high profile vehicle, such as the XC90, the clearance between the bottom of your vehicle and the ground is higher, meaning you many not notice anything underneath when backing into an empty parking space.
Hundreds of vehicle fires every year are attributed to motorists who park their cars over leaves; unfortunately this practice almost always results in the total loss of the vehicle due to excessive fire damage.
Roy and the whiskey question

In the video 6/10 of Theo Chalmers interview with Robert Green and Anne and Hollie Greig (near the end) Theo questions Anne about Roy’s drinking habits. The autopsy report apparently showed brown liquid in his stomach and was, according to Anne, whiskey which she says her brother never drank. Robert Green appears adamant that Roy never drank whiskey even though he never knew Roy and yet after a little pushing from Theo, Anne admits that her brother did drink whiskey occasionally.

RG = Robert Green
AG= Anne Greig
TC = Theo Chalmers
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RG: I think it’s also important to say that Rob...Roy never drank whiskey like most Scots..he hated whiskey didn’t he
AG: Yeah, he didn’t like whiskey
RG: He wasn’t a whiskey drinker anyway
AG: He drank, he drank white spirits, he likes a drink
RG: He likes a drink but not ...
AG: But being a bar manager you know, you’ve got to, yeah, you know
TC: He didn’t like whiskey?
AG: No, no.
TC: He never drank whiskey?
AG: Occasionally he maybe did but not on the whole, no, he was a white...Bacardi or what colour...

To me it seems quite feasible from the evidence and quotes from Anne Greig and Robert Green that:
Roy intended to commit suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning; that Roy had consumed alcohol before his suicide and that he may have been unconscious from carbon monoxide poisoning by the time the catalytic converter (see example above) ignited the fire which consumed the car.

The rescuer (who Anne and Robert Green have suggested wasn’t a rescuer but the murderer) was on a busy motor way, saw the fire on the opposite side and rerouted to investigate. Why this would be seen as an indication by Robert Green and Anne as being a murderer is beyond me. God only knows that I would do the same in the year 1997 when mobile phones were not widely available.

There was a hose found on the ground beside the car (not connected to the car exhaust or window), isn’t it possible that on seeing the body in a burning car that the rescuer pulled the hose away and dragged Roy out, found he was not breathing and attempted CPR? I know I would, even if I was not qualified or only had an inkling of what I was doing – the guy isn’t breathing, what is there to lose?

I have checked the medical sites (see notes above) and even CPR administered by experienced medical teams has resulted in broken ribs and/or sternum, so it is quite feasible that Roy’s broken sternum/ribs was as a consequence of inexperienced CPR.

The pathology report states that Roy was two and half times over the limit and melted plastic had dropped onto his legs. It's seems quite possible that he was unconscious from carbon monoxide poisoning by the time the car went up in flames (catalytic converter) and that Roy did indeed die of smoke inhalation.

If the rescuer was indeed just a rescuer (as the points above seem to indicate) then it seems a crying shame that he’s been weaved into a conspiracy that may not be true and bandied about the internet as a murderer.

My article is not meant to discredit Anne Greig in any shape or form – It is possible Anne has come to believe her brother’s suicide was murder. But to my mind and taking the evidence into account, it seems that Robert David Greig’s death was indeed suicide and that he had died from smoke inhalation.

Theo Chalmers interview with Robert Green, Anne and Hollie Greig: 

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